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FPS Cheat Use is Epidemic!

Editorial, October 08, 2012
by RFMariano

Where the hell is Punkbuster and Valve Anti-Cheat? In hiding?

There have been a great increase in the numbers of "complaints" about cheats surfacing in many FPS games MoH, BF3, CoD, MW, WaW, BO and many others including (surprise - surprise) Red Orchestra 2 Heroes of Stalingrad.

These are no longer rumors, ITS TRUE - very true despite the goofy denials being posted in many forums including the TWI forums by either the cheat users themselves or the uninformed vociferous few who always seem to surface to dispel, confuse or otherwise obfuscate the facts. Here's a perfect example of the blatant advertising plastered on the net. Join a certain forum and you can get this one FREE!

All one need do is use Google to find the plethora of cheats and hacks for all the popular FPS games. Its time the Anti-Cheat GIANTS went to action mode!

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Back in 09-02-2011, 10:35 AM, Ramm took a moment to post this about cheats and cheating;

Quote:
Originally Posted by TW-Ramm-Jaeger
So I'll start this post with my usual - calm down, step back, take a deep breath. See, don't you feel better already?

So I've seen a lot of buzz and panic about cheats starting to appear in the beta. First I would say this - don't panic. This is to be expected, and has been planned for. We've prepared for this and knew it would happen all along.

Anti-Cheat - This is exactly why we've got the dual anti-cheats of VAC and PB. VAC as you all know uses a delayed banning system, while PB detects and kicks on the spot. Between these two RO2 will be one of the best well protected games at launch. Right now Punkbuster hasn't been enabled yet, and will be coming online during the course of the beta.

So what about the cheats that "fall through the cracks" so to speak. This is where two very powerful additional tools come into play:
PBBans and Server Admins!

PBBans - PBBans has a system which allows streaming of a master ban list. As cheats are caught through PunkBuster violations, screenshots or demos, they are added to the Master Ban Index (MBi). So admins catching someone cheating on their servers can submit screenshots or video to PBBans and get the cheater banned. In this way, even cheaters using cheats that "fall through the cracks" will find themselves banned.

Server Admins - an active server admin is a powerful tool against cheating. "But other games have active server admins, and they got overrun with cheaters" you might say. The difference is, Tripwire are giving the server admins the tools they need to combat the cheaters such as Punkbuster and PBBans. So unlike many other recently released games, RO2's server admins hands will not be tied when it comes to cheaters, and they have some weapons at their disposal to combat them.

An active dev team - another very important tool in combating cheats is an active dev team. Many recent games have come out and been overrun by cheats while the dev team did little or nothing. As we have done in the past, Tripwire will be leaning forward on this and extremely active in combating cheats. An example of this is some cheating that we started noticing yesterday which is known as "speed-hacking". Later today, just 24 hours later, we should be releasing an update that combats this type of hacking.

You - the final important component of this is YOU, the player and fan. If you have any information on any new or existing hacks for the game, private message the information Yoshiro or one of the moderators on this forum. DO NOT post the information in the open. You all can help be our eyes and ears to combat this issue.

So in conclusion I ask you all to be calm and work with us to help combat hacking. Hacking and hackers are an ever moving target, and very difficult to eliminate completely. But together with you the fans and all of the weapons at our disposal we will marginalize and reduce hacking in RO2 to the point where it is barely a factor. Likewise we will do everything in our power to frustrate the efforts of hack makers and hackers to the point where they find it is not worth the effort.
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From the Game's EULA

Quote:
6. Cheats and Cheating

RO2 was made for gamers by gamers. We hate cheaters and will not tolerate anyone cheating in RO2 or any RO2 Mods. It's a simple as that. If you are cheating in any way, including any attempt by you, either directly or indirectly, to circumvent or bypass any element of the RO2 or any RO2 servers to gain any advantage in multiplayer play of the RO2 or any RO2 Mods, you are in breach of this EULA. It is a breach of this EULA for you, whether directly or indirectly, to create, develop, copy, reproduce, distribute, or use of any software program or any modification to RO2 or any RO2 Mods ("Cheats") that enable a player to gain an advantage or otherwise exploit another player when playing against other players on a local area network, any other network, or on the Internet. Hacking into the executable of RO2 or any RO2 Mods or any other use of the RO2 or any RO2 Mods in connection with the creation, development, or use of any such unauthorized Cheats is prohibited under this EULA. Cheats include, but are not limited to, programs that allow players to see through walls or other level geometry (software or hardware "wall hacks"); programs that let players change their rate of speed outside the allowable limits of RO2 ("speed hacks"); programs that crash any other players, PC clients, or network servers; "aimbots" that automatically target other players or that automatically simulate any other player input to gain an advantage over other players; or any other program or modification that functions in a similar capacity or allows any prohibited conduct.

If we find you are a Cheater, we will revoke your CD key and ban you from the RO2 servers and tell your mom! Your license will automatically terminate, without notice, and you will have no right to play RO2 or any RO2 Mods against other players or make any other use of RO2. End of story.
Just over a year later, the BIG question we ask now....

Where the hell is VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat) and PB (Punkbuster) ...At this time?? The levels of complaints are higher than ever. Heard on most every server out there. (Except of course those servers with VAC and PB turned off)

We were told this particular cheat and its variations, both SP & MP, are "alive and well" in the wild and apparently, in widespread use. It has however, been allegedly tagged by both Anti-Cheat systems and "action is expected". (Don't hold your breath!)

I now ask WHEN???

When the vast majority of legit users/players have left these games in disgust? When are VAC & PB going to ACT on this garbage? When will we see this "action" taken.

Have certain fees and contractual agreements with Evenbalance been broken by either parties? Why in most cases like in RO2 - No PB Bans since last year?
Regular, seasoned and experienced Admins and players are not idiots. They can see foul play when its taking place. They can be and are fair and reasonable. However, If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck - it IS a duck! Cheats ARE in use in every FPS game!

Far too many of the regular players are running out of patience. It'll be a sad day when they begin using this garbage themselves to counter the scum that's using the cheats now and ruining everyone's game.

When there's 20 or more players in a server and all but one are in single digit kill counts and one player is in double digit counts or, when one player is averaging triple the score of everyone else in the server, it becomes time to start asking serious questions. Nobody is that good. NOBODY!!

Lets stop all the lies, double talk and smearing of the facts with generous doses of BS offered by naysayer users who act as if they are "in the know". I prefer to err on the side of caution and call a spade a spade. When we see our regulars and some newcomers from other games calling out certain players for rather "questionable" activities in-game, the time has come to begin looking toward VAC & PB - asking WHY are these things happening on an ongoing basis? When are THEY going to do what they are expected to do? Their job! Start nailing the cheaters!!

Save the BS answer of "waiting to grab a bunch" - that's for the noobs. The vast majority of players want to see results NOW. Make an example of those caught. The last scumbag caught in RO2 was over a year ago! That is just plain wrong!
Punkbuster enjoys a mediocre reputation at best and VAC.. well VAC is a whole different and hard to understand animal. Both leave a great deal to be desired. That is except for the hack authors who seem to be having a field day providing cheats that work and work well with impunity. So well in fact, that many others are willing to go into denial that these things are available or are even out there in use! That is "head in the sand syndrome". Wake up you fools!

Some say the best anti-cheat is an experienced Admin. To that I say, NONSENSE! Try it sometime... The retaliatory grief that accompanies an Admin taking action is deplorable. It ranges from forum spamming of vile against the Admin to DOS attacks and repeated disruptions by perps and their friends on the game server.

Sorry, but PB and VAC are PAID to provide this service - DAMMIT, DO YOUR JOBS! Do what you are paid to do.

Folks, the sad part is.... its truly epidemic. Its happening on ALL the FPS games and the preventive solutions are few and far between. Its so bad that recently, we see where Activision's new shooter BO2 will have NO Tools and NO Server rentals, they will proved a world-wide network of company provided servers for their new BO2. Mainly because of the hammering prior releases endured and the hacking the code suffered.

We have an RGN Rogues Gallery here where Admins throughout the community are welcome to post about the Rogues they encounter on their servers. Note the prolific number of posts (next to none). Admins are reluctant to do so because of the retaliatory "bully-boy" reactions that are sure to result.

Me? As of this month, I don't care if its a regular that needs "attention or noobs needing discipline". In any case, player cheat abuse will empty a server in a heartbeat.. so what have I to lose? A few disgruntled players or no players at all. Which is worse? I'll aggressively dump the obvious.

You tell me what you would do!
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This is one of the reasons I prefer to play on Mike's server. I believe what he sez about coming down hard on cheats or suspected cheats. I know there are some players who r a cut above the rest but just how much better can they be when their scores are way out of proportion with everyone else's? I dont understand the cheats mindset. Too bad they couldnt have a server set aside for just themselves. That way they could challenge other cheats to see who would be the reigning BEST CHEAT. I just hope that in sorting out the fly-shit from the pepper Mike doesnt alienate the legitimate good players from the cheats. Its a good server with a good group of regulars. I'd hate to see player participation decline. I'm just sayin'.
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You are correct Gelm, It's like dancing on the sharp edge of a razor blade.

We must however, be diligent if e are to preserve the server's and our reputations of offering and playing a fair, trustworthy game.

Its going to take all of us together to make this happen.


Loyalty, Mutual Respect and Trust are the key factors - if we are to succeed.
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The TWI forums never cease to amaze me.... all the very ones who have been observed in one or more compromising situations are the ones who are protesting the loudest.

The quotation;
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II, where it is spoken by Queen Gertrude, Hamlet's mother.
Shakespeare makes it quite evident that the guilty make the loudest protests of innocence.

(The phrase's actual meaning implies the increasing likelihood of suppressed feelings for the contrary of that which is being argued.)
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First of all let's get one point made PERFECTLY CLEAR for the Fog Brains in the TWI forums......


About this thread's title: Cheat Use is Epidemic!

Apparently there are those who are comfy in claiming there is no "epidemic"..

Really? Maybe not in your small confined RO2 world but across the majority of FPS games in use today there IS a major Epidemic of cheats and cheaters. Social analysts indicate that the vast majority are of collegiate age and are students. Imagine what the world will be like when these phonies are out in the wild after graduation? No character, self respect or morals.

Face facts- Get your heads out of the sand and take note of the real deal.

Here's a few references indicating the interpretations of cheats and cheating at TWI's famous "unbiased" and highly "factual" forums.....

Mike_Nomad opened the discussion with this;
Think of this though; However small the player count vs. cheaters, the problem of cheats being in use exists and must be dealt with. Imagine if the bad apples were exposed and shamed... future cheaters would be inclined to think twice before abusing RO2 players. RO2 is getting better by the day, why let a few bad apples ruin it for all of us?

No, its not up to Server Admins.. VAC & PB are directly responsible for this job.. let them meet their responsibilities in a timely fashion. When was the last time a cheater was caught?
VAC & PB activity on the RO2 platform is virtually non-existent. That's sad because cheaters are observed by diligent Admins every day and the use of exploits found in the game are rampant eg; hip firing machine guns, insta-spawn T-34 Tank Crews, goofy cover nodes, speed tree switches, etc..

Sarkis chimes in with another of his "'Net" quotes;
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-overview-ro2-ov40.html. No one caught since June, and before that January. Admittedly, there has been no documented case of cheaters, cheaters of the kind that get away with it, dodging all PB, VAC and server admins.
While Sarkis was doing his best to be his usual sarcastic, PIA know-it-all self, he actually bolstered our claims that PB & VAC are LAX at pursuing cheats and cheaters. Maybe, there's still a splinter of hope for this forum, thread hijacking, trash-master.

Mekhazzio contributes the following bit of enlightenment;
I do hope nobody's ever claimed that it was impossible to cheat. It's no more possible to stop cheating than it is to stop someone from walking into a movie theater and starting a random murder spree. Feel free to download and use whatever cheats you want, just don't whine about your Steam account getting locked in a week or three...
There comes a time when one begins to question the underlying causes of this situation and then wonder when the griefers that cheat and the griefers that trash forums with senseless debate, for the sake of debate and personal ego gratification, will ever cease.

First, lets look at the possibilities as to why there is little or NO action by VAC & PB in the pursuit of cheats and exploits in RO2...
Is it due to;
  • the nature of the game's engine?
  • lack of ample staff to oversee RO2 and its small player base?
  • contractual disputes or agreements for quarterly or semi-annual action?
  • RO2 has fallen through the cracks?
  • RO2 not considered a viable entity to monitor and moderate?
Sure there's answers out there but to simply observe and then fall into a syndrome of denial is ..simply put; dumb.

Then comes the obvious;
The Forum Trash-Masters, like fecal matter in a swill pool, always float to the surface. When a sensitive topic emerges they'll appear. No matter the topic posted in any thread these goofs will not only hijack the thread by going off topic to suit their needs, they'll literally trash the thread. Worst of all, they'll insult the OP and present themselves as "the divine masters of all knowing fonts of knowledge". When is fact they are nothing more than egomaniacal fools satisfying their own needs at the expense of others and TWI's site credibility. Where are the site administrators? Do they condone this activity?

In any case, like all topics there and in most forums, the bluster and thunder will rage very temporarily and then the thread will slowly fade into ambiguity. Just as the expression goes that fits so well for the egomaniacs;

"There's nothing as dead as the echo of yesterday's applause".

Why is it that the majority of the Trash-Masters are of the disgruntled ROOSTER sector? Could they really be out to do harm to RO2 and maybe, just maybe.. they have an ADMIN or two who are surreptitiously supporting this effort for whatever convoluted reason they may harbor?

Time will tell.
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As expected, the naysayers surfaced in the pool and were promptly rebutted by those willing to face reality.

About the presence of cheaters on the RO2 platform;

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mormegil
lTo be fair, that just means nobody has been caught since June. There could very well be isolated cases of cheating on some of those Russian servers with no admins, no PB, and no VAC. Just not documented.
Quote:
Originally Posted by r5cya
i'm sure there was/are. the guys making these stupid programs have to try them out somewhere. :mad:
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Originally Posted by Sarkis
This is of no concern, when we mean cheaters actively screwing our game experience, we also mean fooling PB, VAC. Don't play in badlands and later cry foul.

''There could well be cheaters'' does not mean there are.

I was once known as ''Sarkis, el cheatero'' back in CoD 4, Argentinian servers. Poor argies, I played so damn well! Even in brazilian servers, people would leave by my mere sight.
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Originally Posted by Gudenrath
Yes, there has certainly been isolated cases of cheaters. Just check the PB bans. It is not an epidemic and never has been, true enough, but please stop with the lie about there never having been cheaters in the game.
True but then if one observes the BIG PICTURE, across all the FPS games, it is indeed a SERIOUS EPIDEMIC.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mormegil
I would qualify this as "There are probably no cheaters on the mainstream servers."

Since some servers don't run PB, VAC or have active admins, we cannot conclude anything about the number of cheaters on those servers. But for me, those servers are irrelevant, as I'm not on them.

Just to clarify, I'm not claiming there are cheaters. I'm just stating we cannot conclude there are no cheaters on servers where cheating would be easy.
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Originally Posted by Rattler
Its still possible to cheat. Yesterday some douchebag was using the popular aim hack for spartanovka where he camps on the russian mg and every player on the axis team gets mowed down all the time. Then this bastard used the same aim hack on fallen fighters with the semi auto rifle of the russians and the result was the same >.<
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Originally Posted by Yoshiro
As a heads up, do not publicly post cheats or links to cheats or you will be banned.

Privately inform a member of Tripwire staff or a moderator with a link or actual cheat files.

In no game is it impossible to cheat. All we as developers can do is make it harder and costlier for those who do it (both in terms of direct and indirect costs). Also keep in mind that cheat making is now an industry, an industry based around money. Many of these groups will outright lie about their cheats being detected or not. It suits them to make as much money as they can until the cheaters get mad, then show up on a new site with a new name, and do it all over again.

Yes, some types of cheats are harder to detect than others. Some (mostly private) cheats may never get caught at all. But in these cases, the cheat use is also minimized, and users caught are shared between the admin community. One of the most effective anti cheat is still a well admined server.
Yoshiro ought to try instigating a more aggressive approach by VAC and PB instead of threatening those who are caring enough to notify the RO2 community of the existence of commercial cheats.... keeping it secret does nothing but protect the cheat authors! All it does is passively condone the use of Cheats and Hacks!

Further and more importantly; Yoshiro ought to put up a server and then go after the suspect cheaters... Then he can experience and enjoy the harassment in the forums, the DOS attacks, the Youtube Hits and the spam floods heaped upon the Admin's EMail. Try it sometime Yosh.. instead of just offering inexperienced hot air. Better yet; Force VAC & PB to do their JOB... aren't you supposed to REPORT all cheat findings to PB and VAC?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad
Bottom line: are VAC & PB really doing their part?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshiro
Yes, they are.
PROVE IT!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad
I find myself wondering... really. Is there any way we can verify the job is being done?
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Originally Posted by CocaineInMyBrain
well, theres the list of the couple of people that have been banned since launch.. beyond that I don't see any way to empirically confirm any of this.
Its up to the contract holders to enforce the terms of the agreements.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattler
As far as I am aware VAC is very slow about its "decisions". It takes a few months to ban a cheater in CS because VAC need to collect some info from multiple played rounds. I hope thats not the case about how it works for RO2.
Very true - VAC takes forever. After all, they are dumping their paying consumers. I'd think they'd enjoy the replacement sales. PB has shown us little or nothing in the way of enforcement. One must wonder if PB's time has come and gone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad
And now I must ask this question... when was the most recent bust of record?
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Originally Posted by Zetsumei
I think its even more simple in the sense that most servers don't stream to pbbans. And if servers dont stream their info to pbbans not much will happen there.
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Originally Posted by Buzzles
That too was my impression. Seems PBBans is completely ignored by RO2 server owners.

A shame, as it used to work quite well for CoD4.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Nomad
Correction; "ignored by MOST RO2 server owners" ....... RGN servers stream to PBBANS and have done so for years.
Just to give you an idea of the absurd levels of denial found among the "Nay-saying, Negative Nancies" found attempting to dismiss the fact that there are cheats and cheaters among us in RO2.

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KeyBinder :
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Profile System :
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Help :
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Why am I so "into" exposing these cheats?

Easy! Because I am tired of all the double talk and BS from both ends of the street. In the end, we'll all suffer.

Easier yet, there are far too many fools in denial over the fact that people are cheating on RO2 Servers. The cheat programs are out there and the exploits yet to be addressed are all very well known. I often wonder if the loudest deniers aren't cheaters themselves.

In all probabilities, had I not seen many of the features of these cheat programs in actual use on our own servers.. Id've more than likely, simply been among those either oblivious to the fact they were being screwed or kept quiet in fear of ridicule and/or endless arguments from the asshats who are in denial as is taking place right now in the TWI forums - they've attacked and killed the messenger instead of trying to find a solution.

How quaint.

My BIG question is;

When the hell is VAC and Punkbuster going to act on these problems?
TWI must include, in the next update or ASAP, FORCED USE of at least VAC so the Asshat Admins who deliberately turn off the cheat protection can no longer do so.
I know, by having a number of servers offering no anti-cheat protection, the scumbags who cheat have a safe place to go cheat their collective asses off. Thus, leaving the protected servers alone.
WRONG!! It offers the Clowns who charge for these "undetectable" programs the opportunity to continue generating income for their efforts. In essence, those idiot admins are contributing to the problem of cheats and cheating. They should be warned to turn the A/C's on or face expulsion.
However, there truly is a cheat problem as we've observed obviously questionable activities on our own servers, the above assumption is all wrong. The cheaters have yet to be caught. Thereby substantiating the cheat author's claims of their cheats being "undetectable".
We went through all the necessary/required steps in having the suspected players observed and "Moderated" - we've seen ZERO action from either VAC or PB and received not one acknowledgment of anything being done to correct either the users or ourselves in thinking they are cheating.
That my friends, leaves me to conclude that VAC and PB are not interested in nailing cheats and cheaters on the "small" inconsequential RO2 platform. That really pisses me off. They are paid to do a job and for all intents and purposes, they are not. After all, the last one caught was when? Jun 04, 2012 at 11:13 pm?? Are they for real?? If they are... then the moon is really made of cheese!

Be advised, stay diligent. The asshats using the cheats are killing RO2.

For those who lament there is NO EPIDEMIC.... wake up!! Just look at ALL the FPS game programs getting hammered.

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In my humble opinion FPS game cheaters are the digital equivalent of certain bicyclists running for the top 20 at the Tour de France while circulating more synthetics than blood in their vessels. And I am not simply referring to the latest american case A. or the german case U., but frankly who doesn't dope in that particular contest? Anybody? What we see is: It might take years, but sooner or later those success junkies ARE being caught.

We are lucky that we actually don't need cheaters' urine specimen in the first place but then again the virtual world solutions targeted at doping gamers indeed need to work efficiently. If that's not the case those anticheat service providers become cheaters of a kind themselves. They cheat their contract counterparts. They cheat all players who contribute to the cost when they buy the game. And yes, there are players who find the presence of an anticheat tool in the ads to be a hard buy oder no buy criterion and then find themselves ****ed over in game.

In the end it'll come down to admins kickin' ass. Which will render pay services like punkbuster kind of obsolete on the long view if they continue to sell players and admins out to the cheating community.
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Are you fn kidding me ! I have been under a rock. I just searched hacks . WTF gain an edge? Just play the fucking game if you suck so be it you'll get better. This world is going to toilet STOP IT NOW .!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry venting .
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There are hundreds of hacks WHY? Are people the stupid and have no skill? Me thinks so. Are these the same that are politically correct or are these a different bunch of assholes?
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There are hundreds of hacks WHY? Are people the stupid and have no skill? Me thinks so. Are these the same that are politically correct or are these a different bunch of assholes?

Usually they're the PC clowns. They're so busy with the Politically Correct BS simply to coverup their activities while masquerading as fine upstanding individuals. In other words; phony asshats!
Same type of clowns that clamored for the expulsion of Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson... they lost as do all phonies.





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